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  Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  defender of truth

  Can I just add.. The brothers and sisters in that congregation will not know they have a serial abuser working along with them in the ministry.
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  Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  "It doesn't quite make sense, because if you have been convicted of molesting/raping more than one person that automatically shows you cannot be repented.So this guy was never disfellowshipped at all? Something seems missing in this story."
  

  Mad Irishman, did you not know that elders only act if there are two witnesses to an incident?

  All this man has to do is claim that he did not commit any of the offences.

  Someone could be a convicted rapist and murderer, but if he doesn't admit to the elders that he committed the offence, and no 'second victim' comes forward and tells the elders that something was done to them, no congregational action will be taken.

  Nobody in that congregation will know that they have a serial abuser sat among them.

  That is what happens when you insist on sticking to a rigid 'two witnesses to any incident or it didn't happen' policy.
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  How to raise awareness about child abuse.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's an idea.

  we know the wtbts fears exposure more than anything.

  so what if we made an organized, concerted effort to contact every celebrity jw that we can think of?

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  defender of truth

  Brilliant idea, by the way, Data Dog.

  I don't use socialmedia, twitter etc..

  But I have a suggestion for anyone who wants to try to contact any ex jw celebrities:

  Don't ask them to do anything, or send them lengthy articles to read.

  Just post up a link of these videos (pbs and nightline) on their pages, or however it works i have no idea, then ask them what they think, 'because you heard/read somewhere they used to be a Jehovahs'. Then you sound like just an interested fan who is concerned, rather than someone trying to get them to publicly speak out against Watchtower policies.

  If anyone has the nerve to try this idea, please can you let us all know if there is a response, or even if you're just going to give it a go.

  One way or another, they are going to react when they see these videos, whether it is publically, or privately.

  And with all those followers, who knows how many the videos might reach??

  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKFThyNKU1w&t=219

  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maErOSo0k54
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  How to raise awareness about child abuse.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's an idea.

  we know the wtbts fears exposure more than anything.

  so what if we made an organized, concerted effort to contact every celebrity jw that we can think of?

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  defender of truth

  Here are the contact details for some of the most famous ex JW's.Just to get the ball rolling..

  
  Donald Glover

  https://www.facebook.com/iamdonald/info?tab=page_info

  Luke Evans

  https://twitter.com/thereallukevans
  Sherri Shepherd

  https://twitter.com/SherriEShepherd
  Michelle Rodriguez

  https://twitter.com/mrodofficialhttps://www.facebook.com/MRodOfficial
  JaRule

  https://twitter.com/ruleyork
  XZibit

  https://twitter.com/xzibit
  

  Credit for the list goes to..

  http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/famous-jehovahs-witnesses.php
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  Do you want to take action to support mandatory child abuse reporting? (UK or US mainly)

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this quote is just for discussion purposes, not my political bias or anything... .

  " a 'revolution in attitudes' is needed to safeguard children from sex abusers, according to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper.in an interview with the independent on sunday, ms cooper said that the problem was wider than the historic cases uncovered through the jimmy savile scandal and the abuse of hundreds of children in rotherham.she said that childrens voices must be heard by organisations which had failed to act in the past, and pledged that a labour government would make the reporting of abuse a legal requirement... we need to introduce mandatory reporting so that no institution can ever be tempted to think that the reputation of the institution matters more than the protection of the child ... there has to be a stronger obligation to report and to act.labour has included mandatory reporting in the partys pre-election manifesto and has also said it will set up a cross-whitehall unit to tackle child protection.

  "http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-abuse-shadow-home-secretary-calls-for-revolution-in-attitudes-to-safeguard-vulnerable-10077725.html.

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  defender of truth

  Thank you everyone, especially to Gone+forgotten, if there were only a few more people on this forum who would forward these on via Facebook etc, the goals would be met and the changes may happen.

  Please bump this thread to the top now and again, I'm really busy and distracted at the moment. May not be back again for a bit..

  We can make a difference.
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  Do you want to take action to support mandatory child abuse reporting? (UK or US mainly)

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this quote is just for discussion purposes, not my political bias or anything... .

  " a 'revolution in attitudes' is needed to safeguard children from sex abusers, according to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper.in an interview with the independent on sunday, ms cooper said that the problem was wider than the historic cases uncovered through the jimmy savile scandal and the abuse of hundreds of children in rotherham.she said that childrens voices must be heard by organisations which had failed to act in the past, and pledged that a labour government would make the reporting of abuse a legal requirement... we need to introduce mandatory reporting so that no institution can ever be tempted to think that the reputation of the institution matters more than the protection of the child ... there has to be a stronger obligation to report and to act.labour has included mandatory reporting in the partys pre-election manifesto and has also said it will set up a cross-whitehall unit to tackle child protection.

  "http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-abuse-shadow-home-secretary-calls-for-revolution-in-attitudes-to-safeguard-vulnerable-10077725.html.

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  defender of truth

  https://www.change.org/p/educationgovuk-introduce-law-requiring-adults-working-with-children-to-report-alleged-abuse-mandatenow

  https://www.causes.com/actions/1767188-sign-the-petition-to-president-barack-obama-us-attorney-general-eric-holder-and-attorney-general-mary-lou-leary-department-of-juvenile

  
  

  https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-change-the-law-to-better-protect-vulnerable-children-like-daniel-pelka-danielslaw

  If you care about this issue, please sign at least one, if not all three.
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  Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  Sewell not 'defellowshipped'

  The 39-year-old alleges Sewell still has not been “disfellowshipped” despite being jailed for 14 years last year. A Jehovah’s spokesman refused to deny this.

  “Even if an abuser admits it, as long as they repent, they might not get any discipline at all,” Karen said.

  “If they say, ‘I’m sorry, I won’t do it again’ they are left alone and the congregation is never told.”

  Guilty of eight sex offences

  Sewell was found guilty of eight sex offences including a rape that left his adult victim pregnant and the sex abuse of a 12-year-old girl.

  “In some cases an abuser might be disfellowshiped for three years but then brought back,” Karen said.

  “But no-one is told why he was disfellowshipped.”

  Church elder Mark Sewell, 53, was jailed for 14 years at Merthyr Crown Court for sexually abusing women worshippers

  Sewell was once kicked out for drunkenness and a bad attitude. He was then welcomed back.

  “Even though he has been found guilty of sex abuse he has still not been disfellowshipped,” Karen said.

  “He is still a witness. I know he’s been writing to Jehovah’s Witnesses because I have been told.”

  RELATED: Paedophile rocker Ian Watkins moved to 'soft' jail with other child abusers

  “I have asked why he has not been disfellowshipped and they have not been able to give me an answer,” Karen, who was a member of the Barry congregation, said.

  'It's a cult'

  “The only answer I have had is ‘These things take time.’”

  Karen was disfellowshipped as a teen because her boyfriend was not a Witness.

  “I never went back and I am still disfellowshipped,” she said.

  If she is in the street she is ignored by Witnesses.

  “They won’t talk to me,” Karen said.

  “But they are allowed to talk to him.

  “That’s how stupid that rule is.”

  RELATED: Convicted paedophile Gerard Lynch tried to get job with First Great Western as a train manager

  Karen said she asked the Barry Elders for a letter of apology for not believing her about Sewell. She has not had one.

  Legal action

  Karen and another Jehovah’s sex attack victim are attempting to sue the institution for what happened. The religion has already paid out millions of dollars in the US after being swamped in scandals.

  “All I ever wanted them to do was say sorry,” Karen said.

  “Why don’t they just apologise? They are supposed to believe in the bible.”

  When articles about her were shared on the internet she was dubbed “an apostate.”

  http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636
  
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  Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  In case anyone doesn't know, Karen Morgan wrote this article about the landmark court case in the UK. Here's a relevant quote from it..

  "There are so many similarities between this case and the case I am involved in.
  I actually requested an apology from my local body of elders and didn’t even get a response.
  I just wanted them to say sorry for sitting me in front of my abuser and making me say what he had done to me.
  I then tried to get an apology from London Bethel instead, and I was flatly told that Bethel doesn’t apologise!
  I find this quite bizarre since Jehovah’s Witnesses are encouraged to say sorry and repent when they make mistakes.
  If I had received an apology and assurance that steps would be taken to ensure children would be more protected in future, I too would never have considered taking legal action."

  
  
  http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/landmark-uk-high-court-case-against-watchtower-could-make-history
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  Jehovah cult kicked me out - but not the man who raped me,' victim claims

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  positions of trusta jehovahs witness spokesman said: we have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.if jehovahs were found to have abused someone if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.asked why about the claims sewell had not been kicked out of the jehovahs the spokesman insisted we cant comment on specific situations.we dont give out personal information, he said.http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636

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  Positions of trust
  A Jehovah’s Witness spokesman said: “We have tried to educate families to try and educate and protect their children, so that children can protect themselves if they find themselves in a situation.”
  If Jehovah’s were found to have abused someone “if they are in a position of trust they would no longer have a position of trust.”
  Asked why about the claims Sewell had not been kicked out of the Jehovah’s the spokesman insisted “we can’t comment on specific situations.”
  “We don’t give out personal information,” he said.
  
  http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovah-cult-kicked-out---8891636
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  Do you want to take action to support mandatory child abuse reporting? (UK or US mainly)

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this quote is just for discussion purposes, not my political bias or anything... .

  " a 'revolution in attitudes' is needed to safeguard children from sex abusers, according to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper.in an interview with the independent on sunday, ms cooper said that the problem was wider than the historic cases uncovered through the jimmy savile scandal and the abuse of hundreds of children in rotherham.she said that childrens voices must be heard by organisations which had failed to act in the past, and pledged that a labour government would make the reporting of abuse a legal requirement... we need to introduce mandatory reporting so that no institution can ever be tempted to think that the reputation of the institution matters more than the protection of the child ... there has to be a stronger obligation to report and to act.labour has included mandatory reporting in the partys pre-election manifesto and has also said it will set up a cross-whitehall unit to tackle child protection.

  "http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-abuse-shadow-home-secretary-calls-for-revolution-in-attitudes-to-safeguard-vulnerable-10077725.html.

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  defender of truth

  I'll be away for a while now, so can I ask a favour?

  If you decide to sign a petition, could you please perhaps post a comment, however brief, then maybe the link to the petition that you signed?

  If we do that at least once per page, it will raise awareness of the petitions, as well as making it easy for others to click on. Just a suggestion. Thankyou for supporting this